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Just want to give a big THANK YOU to the event organizers, Monticello was a huge success and great fun. Lots of track time, incident-free and right on schedule both days -- great execution! The combining of groups and sessions worked really well, the weather was perfect, even Monticello roads are improving. Monticello is an event every member should strive to attend ... in addition to Mont Tremblant and BAB.
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Fred -- thanks for showing me the line. I was following you, soaking up the info. You turned in very late into T1, so I followed your line. I now know that the grass is the proper turn-in point. ;-)
I have privately thanked all the folks who helped put this on and I'm gonna thank them publicly here:
Barry Tarr -- for handling the instructor coordination and issues and sharing a large portion of the control duties, as well as being a mentor to me. Also for spearheading the informative track walk/drive.
Peter Bergwall -- for coordinating the bulk of the registration work, helping cover control, and countless participant contacts and e-mails
Denis Friedman -- for rounding up all those instructors, preparing packets, registering students, answering questions, covering control, remembering what I forgot, and lots of behind-the-scenes work.
Simon Cooper -- for registration work, making maps, getting drinks, loaning your pop up and cooler to control, helping get students get squared away, covering control, taking care of pre-event paperwork, and god know what else.
Larry Barbieri -- for registration work before and during the event and helping out wherever needed.
Todd Merrill -- who helped with registration prep
Fred deNapoli and Joe Flynn --for teaching the classroom sessions.
Mike Barton and Neil Halin, helped by Leo Dumais and others -- for co-handling tech for 65 cars with great efficiency, across two paddocks
Jonathan Katz and Bill Rousseau-- for helping cover control
Joe Marko -- for mentorship and support
Mark Schnoerr -- for speaking during the track walk.
Miguel Aponte-Ris & the Veloz Media crew for helping folks with mechanical problems. But I'm unfriending you for taping my car shut, stealing my tires, writing "Jamestown Rocks" on my windshield, and, no doubt, giving that crazy bartender my cell phone number.
PS: We tried a bunch of new things at this event. Please post up your feedback and suggestions, or e-mail me at dan underscore chadwick at boston-bmwcca dot org.
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I want to thank everyone for putting this together successfully. I especially want to thanks Miguel and Nick Pavloski and the rest of Veloz media and ACE Performance. My car overheated badly and I had to bring it into the pits. We needed to figure out what was wrong with it and Nick and Miguel jumped right in to help. Mig even had a spare water pump, water wetter, and distilled water hahahaha. That ended up not being the problem however they lended me all of the tools and their help in order to get the car running in time before the gates closed the first day. It actually got pretty close to closing time too! I also want to thank Simon Cooper for having a spare radiator cap (Miguel can't have every part ) Without the radiator cap (which ended up being the whole issue, I think) I may have not been able to run the car without it overheating again. Almost forgot to mention Derek from HMS was a great help with diagnosing what the issue may be and what his thoughts were of whether or not I should run the second day, etc. I ended up running the car the second day and drove it home without any problems. Had this been with another car club, the generosity may not have been the same. I can't thank you guys enough.
I had a great time overall at Monticello and really enjoyed the track despite all of the car problems the first day. I can't wait to get back there. I also want to note, it was great to see no cars were damaged or people were injured throughout the two day event (to my knowledge). That is a first I've seen for a 2 day HPDE in my experience.
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Once again Miguel to the rescue!
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savage217 (6/9/2010)
I want to thank everyone for putting this together successfully. I especially want to thanks Miguel and Nick Pavloski and the rest of Veloz media and ACE Performance. My car overheated badly and I had to bring it into the pits. We needed to figure out what was wrong with it and Nick and Miguel jumped right in to help. Mig even had a spare water pump, water wetter, and distilled water hahahaha. That ended up not being the problem however they lended me all of the tools and their help in order to get the car running in time before the gates closed the first day. It actually got pretty close to closing time too! I also want to thank Simon Cooper for having a spare radiator cap (Miguel can't have every part  ) Without the radiator cap (which ended up being the whole issue, I think) I may have not been able to run the car without it overheating again. Almost forgot to mention Derek from HMS was a great help with diagnosing what the issue may be and what his thoughts were of whether or not I should run the second day, etc. I ended up running the car the second day and drove it home without any problems. Had this been with another car club, the generosity may not have been the same. I can't thank you guys enough. I had a great time overall at Monticello and really enjoyed the track despite all of the car problems the first day. I can't wait to get back there. I also want to note, it was great to see no cars were damaged or people were injured throughout the two day event (to my knowledge). That is a first I've seen for a 2 day HPDE in my experience. Everybody was nice and helpful, thank you for going to MMC, I guess everyone wasn't fan of the track but I love that place! Dan don't forget Mig give your phone number to amanda she will be calling you!
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fferguson (6/9/2010) Just want to give a big THANK YOU to the event organizers, Monticello was a huge success and great fun. Lots of track time, incident-free and right on schedule both days -- great execution! The combining of groups and sessions worked really well, the weather was perfect, even Monticello roads are improving. Monticello is an event every member should strive to attend ... in addition to Mont Tremblant and BAB. -FF
Also remember that this was a first time at a new track for most people there - even with combined run groups there was no issues. Great event, I'll be there next year too!
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I found it a very challenging track. It is so long that it takes a while to get oriented, especially for someone like me with a terrible memory. There were a few times in the beginning where I "forgot" where I was.
The corners are varied. The pavement is very smooth and there seems to be more than one line through a bunch of the corners -- giving something to debate over an end-of-day libation. It doesn't flow like, say, the Glen or Lime Rock and for a aerobrick like my car, the long straights aren't that much of a treat, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. I've never driven anything like the switchback. Figuring out the double apex will take me more than one event.
The Monticello staff was outstanding. It is nice to be treated as a valued customer.
And the location just 4 hours from Boston is great. I drove home, leaving after most everyone else, and still got home at a reasonable time.
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| Hopefully this link works for folks. Here are a few photos from Monticello. My favorite is HMS, Dan, S-Meister, and Simon coming out of turn 1 to the backwards S. http://cid-a60e0f70ac46a78a.photos.live.com/browse.aspx/Monticello%20June%202010 Of course I had to include my Dinan 335xi  Thanks for all the help from everyone, and especially to Dave George who got me to solo at my second event. Can't wait for the next one!
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| Thanks to all the event organizers for putting in the effort for such a great event. It was my first time at MMC and I really liked it, so technical and you have to be on your marks every lap. Might be my new favorite track. Thanks as well to my Instructor, Robert Manger, ( sorry, I probably butchered your name), for being able to communicate the line, and provide me with useful and much needed guidance. To Fred Ferguson, I had fun following you and using your line, although I left out the part using the grass. )
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tucker (6/9/2010) Thanks to all the event organizers for putting in the effort for such a great event. It was my first time at MMC and I really liked it, so technical and you have to be on your marks every lap. Might be my new favorite track. Thanks as well to my Instructor, Robert Manger, ( sorry, I probably butchered your name), for being able to communicate the line, and provide me with useful and much needed guidance. To Fred Ferguson, I had fun following you and using your line, although I left out the part using the grass. )
I also had Robert. He is a great guy and great instructor. It helped a lot that he had been there before so he was really able to get me going quick rather then wasting away the days trying to find the best lines. Thanks Robert!
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| I had a great time too. I was impressed by the organization of the event, especially at a new track. The track was really fun for me. I think it's my new favorite.
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We tried a number of things. Anyone care to comment about:
1) Schedule. Specifically eliminating all but the morning warm up for instructors, and letting solo'd drivers run in either 1 and 2 (along with instructors)?
2) Combining run groups 3 & 4 on the second day, to create more track time for them and for the solo drivers.
3) The evening libation social
4) The second day morning track "walk" (really a drive)
5) Joe Flynn's new classroom presentation on the second day
6) Sharing the track with the MMC members (and the club's president in the Ferrari Challenge car).
7) The track itself.
Things I'd change if I could:
1) The dual paddock. Supposedly the North paddock will be paved (and hopefully enlarged) over winter to hold everyone (perhaps with tow vehicles and open trailers elsewhere). I missed hanging with my friends who don't happen to be instructors.
2) The distance from control to the bathroom. What -- do they think I'm 20 years old or something? A port-a-potty would solve this.
3) The lack of the PA system. It was very hard to do much put honk a horn to remind people that it's time for something. If everyone were in the same paddock, a bull horn would help.
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| Dan, Here are some comments: 1) I wasn't in rungroups 1 & 2, but it seemed a bit congested when MMC members ran too. 2) Combining 3&4 tended to cause some congestion, especially given there seemed to be a bigger difference between the faster and slower drivers. Some were forever finding themselves in "trains" going into the carousel and double apex. However, I know I appreciated the extra track time. It's a tough tradeoff 3) I enjoyed the social and met a few folks I probably wouldn't have otherwise. 4) The walkthrough was very interesting. Subtle elevation changes were so much more noticeable. 5) Joe's presentation was helpful. As with any presentation, everyone picks out a few different nuggets of knowledge when presented by a different person at a different time. That's not a ding against Fred. Both Joe and Fred are good, there are just different. 6) I thought it was fine to share the track with the club members ... except it got REAL dangerous when they didn't follow the rules. I was the third car of a five car train going into the long straight. I was just getting my point by (car two was nearly past car one) when the 2-eleven Lotus and Red Porsche decided to go by everyone without a point by. If I wasn't paying attention, I'm not sure what might have happened but it wouldn't have been good. My instructor, Dave George, reported it after the session. It may be that we don't want to expose the 4th rungroup to them in the future. The 1st car in the rungroup was a slower car from group 4, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was causing some angst/concern for him/her too. 7) Love the track as it really has just about every type of turn/straight one could want. The downhill left just prior to the uphill hairpin (shared with the pit-in) is downright scary. Finally, all of the members that run the events really do a great job. This was only my second event, but you guys really do keep on top of things and keep things moving. A special thanks to Barry, Simon, Peter, Dan, and Dave for making my son Michael feel so welcomed. He really enjoyed it. Tom
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since you asked:
1) Schedule/combined 1&2 groups: seemed good; add a 4th student session (combined?) on day 1?
2) Combining run groups 3 & 4 on the second day: worked out well, aside from some trains (which I think relates to #7 below)
6) Sharing the track with the MMC members: isn't that part of the deal w/ MMC? Regardless, I learned by watching their line. If they run in groups 3/4 they need to follow the rules or get black-flagged. OTOH, if MMC members can run in groups 1 & 2 and pass w/o point byes, maybe its time for NEW RULES that apply at Monticello at least.
7) The track. A technically challenging with good run off (as I discovered) and decent curbing (except the exit of the corner before the short chute before the long back straight, no curbing?). Great pavement, visibility, elevation, combination corners, reminds me of Calabogie.
But, a 3.7 mile road course with the same number of passing zones as 1.6-mile NHMS or Lime Rock??? That needs change to clear traffic and avoid trains, imo, passing could safely be done in a few other places that may not be "straight" per se, it works elsewhere. Perhaps Monticello staffers could give input on this.
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| I was very happy about combining run groups 1&2. However, the majority of the track time for us on the 2nd day was in the afternoon. We had the opportunity to run 5 or 6 sessions (when solo), but they were all bunched togather. It would be better if the combined groups were spread out more.
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1 and 2 could not be combined in the morning because of classroom. RG1 was pretty busy (2 session + 1 lecture). RG2 still had 1 session + 1 lecture. Please remember that the schedule is a huge juggling act, considering instructor warm-up, sequence of students and classroom (reducing the number of class to-or-from lecture transitions), spreading out the driving, keeping novice run sessions not too long (since both they and their instructors will get tired), lunch, coverage for control, allowing the classroom instructor to drive, and of course giving a fair amount of track time to everyone.
For this event, given only 7 hours of available track time, after deducting a (mandated) hour for lunch, we eliminated the instructor session (except for warm-up) and made / let the instructor run when they want. This worked well only because the track is so huge. It can easily handle 40-50 cars -- and did.
As for trains, what I observed was that the slow car at the front did not give a big enough lift to get the entire train past, so it took many straights to work out a train of 7 or 8 cars. On a track with few passing zones, this isn't good. The Glen is full of passing zones and a huge lift isn't as important. We also should have opened up the zone between the double apex and hangar/the 90 on the first day. We had conflicting advice and went the conservative route. We fixed it the second day.
There were 2.5 hours of track time for solo drivers in the afternoon alone. It wasn't intended that you actually drive every available minute, but more that you can go out when you feel like it. The schedule was also created to give the instructors some track time, particularly those with both a 3/4 student and a 1/2 student. This being our first time to the track, there were many more RG1 and 2 students who wanted an instructor in the car all day long. I think next year this would be much less.
I agree about the passing zones. A MMC map shows "advanced passing" zones. These are all sections of track where the cars must really cooperate to get the pass done before the apex of the next turn (the criteria for when we are running our "late passing" rules; regular rules are passing done by turn-in).
I'd like to see the top of the hammerhead (going into Patience), perhaps between the carousel and into the double apex (aka Pine Tree), perhaps between the switchback and the right kink (although this is leading to the dangerous -- as I found out -- left kink), maybe between the first and second of the backward S turns. Still, these would all require advanced situational awareness, a knowledge of what off-line speeds are going to work out OK, and a great willingness to put the safety of both cars ahead of your own car's speed. We did have cars racing each other into the turns, rather the getting the pass done, which was not cool (and resulted in a revoked solo sticker). We also had a fair number of blackflags for passes in non-passing zones (even with point-bys). Some of these were almost unavoidable as the passee gave a huge lift and it was unsafe to not pass (happened to me, actually).
To my mind, some advanced passing rules could be done, but not without classroom support, and probably only for the advanced run groups. This would probably mean omitting solo-2 students from the advanced group, which would be a bit of a shame/compromise.
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| I'll take the schedule we had over any normal event's schedule any day. The freedom to go out when convenient is fantastic. I also enjoyed driving with the instructors, as it helps to look at other's lines (especially instructors) even when you dont agree with them. I didnt have any trouble with trains in the 1/2 run sessions. However, there were several slower drivers who were reluctant to use the shorter passing zones. As a result, i ended up having to wait much longer then necessary to pass one or two cars. Personally, i feel that anyone in the 1/2 group should be capable and willing to allow people to pass in the shorter zones. There is nothing wrong with driving slower in a fast car (frequent), or driving a slower car (not as often), but you must be willing to let people by. Another thing- I wound up late to the meeting by a few minutes the 2nd day, and just about missed the passing talk. I was helping a friend with his car, and needed a reminder to look at my watch. This probably happened to a few other people at the event. Plus, during the passing zone talk, those strolling in late (me) probably distracted the rest of the group. I would reccomend that the most important parts, like the passing zone talk, be done mid-way through the meeting, especially since there is no PA system.
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| Here's a perspective coming from a Group 4 driver... This was my 2nd event, the first being NHMS on 5/24. This was a fun track but it was a little harder to learn than I expected. I was "comfortable" with NHMS by my 3rd run whereas I was still a little lost after the 1st day at Monticello. Not getting a good nights sleep (thanks to a faulty fire alarm) didn't help either! Someone in the afternoon classroom mentioned that we should have the first lap run under a yellow flag to help learn the track and I thought this was a good idea. It's much easier to drive without having to worry about passing or being passed for us newbs. I was intially nervous about combining groups 3 & 4 on the second day but in the end, it was a good experience. Getting more track time didn't hurt either! I didn't experience any long trains (and no, I wasn't causing the trains either ). In my opinion, the driver point by's were pretty good. I enjoyed Joe's classroom presentation - informative and entertaining. Sharing the track with the instructors was a little different. Not used to seeing car so close to me going around some of the corners. Anyways, thanks to everyone who organized the event and big thanks to my instructor Don! I had a great time and can't wait to get back on the track.
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Don't feel bad -- I was a little lost too, even after studying the track video and taping the track map to my steering wheel for the drive out from Boston. A couple of times I confused the Carousel with the second of the backward S turns.
A friend of mine went to a new track. He lined up on pit road after a few experienced car. After a couple of laps, he picked up his speed, passed some cars, and found himself in front. Cresting a hill, he thought, "hmmm, left or right". He guessed wrong. I'm driving that track for the first time in a LeMons race this coming weekend.
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| On another note - does anyone have any pictures from this event?
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